Notes of Meeting with Amateur Radio Societies

held on 4 March 2002 at OFTA's Conference Room



Present: Mr. Andrew Tang   OFTA (Chairman)
  Mr. Stephen Tse (VR2ZST) HARTS
  Mr. Steven Beesley (VR2XMQ) HARDXA
  Mr. Logan Chan (VR2XRW) HARDXA
  Mr. Ho Wing-leung (VR2XVD) HKARA
  Mr. Hung Siu-hung (VR2FO) HKARA
  Mr. Nagayama Satoshi (VR2AN) JAROC-HK
  Mr. Nagata Tsugio (VR2JJ) JAROC-HK
  Mr. Chiu Wai Ho (VR2ZWH) CARSC
  Mr. Tang Wai Ping (VR2ZWP) CARSC
  Mr. C.K. Cheng   OFTA
  Mr. Warren Kwok   OFTA
  Mr. K.T. Seto   OFTA
  Mr. C.S. Wong   OFTA (Secretary)



Confirmation of Notes of Last Meeting


1.1 Mr. Tse of HARTS declared that HARTS repeaters were always opened for use by all licensed amateurs. Currently, there were no restrictions for the use of HARTS¡¦s repeaters. He proposed to delete the sentence ¡§The Chairman also reminded that all the existing amateur repeaters were not only used by HARTS¡¦s members but also for use by all licensed amateurs¡¨ in para. 4.1. The Chairman agreed.


The notes of the meeting on 12 September 2001 were confirmed with the captioned sentence to be deleted in para. 4.1.


2. Reciprocal Amateur Licensing Arrangement


2.1 Mr. Seto said that OFTA have contacted Australia, Japan, Canada and USA through ITBB for the reciprocal arrangement. The discussion with Australia was now approaching the final stage. However, for other administrations (i.e. Japan, Canada, USA), ITBB confirmed that they have received no further replies from them until this morning. OFTA would continue to follow the progress and would keep the societies informed.


In addition, OFTA have had a meeting with China at the end of last year and the arrangement was at final stage. OFTA had forwarded a proposal to CRSA for the mutual recognition of the classes of licences and was waiting for their final agreement. OFTA had the confidence that agreement would be reached very soon.


2.2 Mr. Tse of HARTS enquired about the progress for the arrangement with Macau SAR.


Mr. Seto said that OFTA had sent a letter to the Office Coordinator of Macau last year. However, up to now, we still received no reply. OFTA would continue to follow-up the progress after the meeting



Harmonised Amateur Radio Examination Certificates


3.1 Mr. Seto said that OFTA were aware of the arrangement in EC. OFTA would consider the arrangement after the completion of the existing reciprocal arrangement which were already in progress.





Mr. Tse said that HARTS learnt that a new permit named as International Amateur Permit had been proposed by IARU to ITU. HARTS would like OFTA to take this into consideration for future licensing arrangement. The Chairman requested Mr. Tse to provide additional information about the arrangement to OFTA for further consideration.





Repeater Linking



The Chairman confirmed that according to the information provided by HARTS, no public service licence was required for the proposal on condition that the proposed system was solely used by licensed amateurs. Interested parties might submit their application with details of the installations. OFTA would advise the applicant if further licensing requirement is required after studying the proposal.


Mr. Tse also declared that full access control (i.e. by password) would be employed for their Internet Linking system. The users of the repeaters via the Internet Link would be confined to pre-approved licensed amateurs and the password would only be issued after HARTS has successfully verified the applicant¡¦s status as a licensed amateur. HARTS would include these details in their application.



5. Allocation to Amateur and Amateur-Satellite Service for frequency bands above 100 GHz


5.1 During the last amateur liaison meeting held on 12.9.2001, OFTA told the amateur representatives about the revisions of frequency allocations to amateur and amateur satellite service in Hong Kong as a result of the decisions of the WRC-2000.  Mr. Cheng said that OFTA has received comment from an amateur society representative about frequency allocation to amateur and amateur satellite in the band 134 ¡V 136 GHz (primary allocation) and 136 ¡V 141 GHz (secondary allocation).  Mr. Cheng said that these bands are now given an unplanned status.  Indeed most frequency bands above 100GHz are also given an unplanned status, as there were no requirements in Hong Kong.


Mr. Cheng said that OFTA could arrange to submit a proposal to the RSAC for consideration if the amateur representatives could agree on a common proposal for frequency allocation to the amateurs above the 100 GHz band. 

There was no requirement on such frequency allocation above 100 GHz from the amateur representatives during the meeting, The Chairman said that the amateur representatives might bring up the proposal for discussion in future if the amateurs have a need to use the band above 100 GHz.


6. Preparation Work for the future World Radiocommunication Conference


6.1 Mr. Cheng said that ITU had scheduled the WRC to be held every 3 to 4 years and OFTA would develop the Hong Kong¡¦s position paper to WRC with consultations of the RSAC. Amateur representatives are welcome to contribute inputs.


6.2 The Chairman said that an agenda item could be created in the future Liaison Meeting so that the amateur representatives may give feedback to OFTA if they have any interest to a particular WRC decision.
7. Arrangement for amateur representative(s) to attend the RSAC meeting


7.1 The Chairman said that the RSAC meeting was opened and its notes of meeting were also available in OFTA home page. He added that he welcomed the representatives to attend the RSAC meetings as observers.


After discussion, it was agreed that 2 representatives would be nominated (one from HARTS and one from other societies). The amateur representatives should give a written application to the RSAC through the Chairman.


Arrangement on Amendment to the Frequency Schedule to the Amateur Station Licences


8.1 OFTA would inform the amateur licensees to implement the changes to the frequency schedule as mentioned in para. 13.1 of the last liaison meeting.


Any Other Business


9.1 Mr. Beesley of HKADX asked about the progress of consideration relating to CB.


The Chairman said that as we just received the document from Mr. Anderson of HARTS this morning, OFTA would study the document and have discussion in the next meeting.


9.2 Mr. Beesley requested OFTA to consider the possibility of including the licensing information into the new Smart ID card.


The Chairman thanked for Mr. Beesley¡¦s suggestion and admitted that OFTA would take it into consideration.


9.3 Mr. Tse of HARTS wanted to thank the staff of OFTA for their quick response in their application for temporary permits for the repeaters being used for the recent functions and activities of the community.


9.4 Mr. Hung of HKARA asked about the comments of OFTA on the information from Mainland China for the opening of 409MHz band radio services.


The Chairman confirmed that OFTA had received the document and it was now under consideration. OFTA would bring this issue back to the agenda in the next meeting.


9.5 Mr. Ho of HKARA submitted a document on new transmission technology for the amateur service (i.e. spread spectrum) for OFTA¡¦s consideration.


9.6 Mr. Tse wanted to thank RMU¡¦s for their quick response to HARTS¡¦s interference complaint yesterday by using the new DF System and he wished RMU could respond to all their future complaints with the same time frame. The Chairman said that the introduction of the new DF System was to allow the RMU staff to respond to the complainant more quickly. Due to practical reasons, they might not response all complaints at once, but they would surely get back to the complainant as soon as possible.


Mr. Beesley also said that they have also experienced some deliberate jamming during the passed public events. He requested if it was possible for the RMU to keep an eye on the operating frequencies periodically while there were big public events were held.


The Chairman said that he would discuss this with RMU for the appropriate arrangement in the future.


9.7 Mr. Tse of HARTS asked OFTA whether there were any issues concerning amateurs during last liaison meeting with China. Mr. Seto said that the major topic discussed during last meeting was the reciprocal arrangement. All matters concerned had been reported in agenda item 2.


Mr. Tse also asked about the status for the use of frequency band 430-440MHz. Mr. Cheng said that, according to the information given by the Mainland authority, the band 430 ¡V 440 MHz is not allocated to amateur service in China although certain areas in the Mainland has special arrangements for the amateurs in this band. 


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